If photography is the art
of fixing a shadow, glass is the medium that transfers shadows onto
film. For Joel-Peter Witkin, whose elaborate tableaux reverberate
with the extreme conditions of life and death, glass holds powerful
associations. "Oldenberg," says Witkin, "once described
glass as 'lightning trapped in sand.' " A day before the New
York opening of Witkin's retrospective exhibition at the Guggenheim
Museum, he spoke with Michael Sand about photography, morality,
and human remains.
My father had four brothers, all
glaziers, and he would include me in their work. The first job we
had was to take two-by-fours and break industrial glass, which he
would replace. So my job was to break the glass. Of course, we had
no goggles, no safety precautions. In the first two or three hours
or so, I got a splinter in my eye. And he took it out. His hands were
huge. He rolled my eyelash up with a wooden match--his hands smelled
of putty, cigars, and dirt--and he took the splinter out. The splinter
was in the white of my eye, and I was going crazy. Still, this was
closest communication I had with my father, except when he would come
over to the house and talk to my mother. They'd talk about money and
things like that, because he had to pay alimony. He would visit later
on, too, and show strange photographs.
He took me aside and showed me some clips from Life
magazine or Look magazine, the Daily Mirror, or the News (he wasn't
a New York Times reader). I was about five, and I knew when he was
showing me these photographs that he was telling me he couldn't do
this, but maybe there was a chance that part of him could, somehow,
through me. Without saying it, I looked at him, and I knew, and he
knew, that I could try.
I think that what makes a photograph so powerful is
the fact that, as opposed to other forms, like video or motion pictures,
it is about stillness. I think the reason a person becomes a photographer
is because they want to take it all and compress it into one particular
stillness. When you really want to say something to someone, you grab
them, you hold them, you embrace them. That's what happens in this
We're born naked. We actually
should live naked--not literally, but in terms of honesty and openness.
I've seen hundreds of people on the slab, and occasionally I see a
beautiful woman, who is still beautiful--and it's very, very shocking.
It has an impact, because you're seeing human remains, a human life,
or the evidence of it.
I stayed in Mexico City for four extra days when I
was making Glass Man, because I wasn't getting the bodies I wanted.
When bodies are brought in from the street, there's sometimes a doubt
as to how the person died. Street people may be found days later,
which makes it hard to determine the cause.
Drivers from the morgue make runs every day in white
trucks to pick up the dead. When found, the bodies are just thrown
on the gurneys, face-down. Their noses get broken. The trucks are
loaded with maybe six people, and they just lie on top of each other,
somewhat bloated. They're all stretched out. Their identities are
taken, their clothes are taken away, and records are kept.
When I stayed those extra days in Mexico, I knew something
was going to happen. I got a call. Four men were picked up, the last
run, on the last day before I was going to leave. I went down to the
hospital with my interpreter and went in to shoot. One guy had been
run over by a car, not in good shape. The other guy was an old man,
no good. One man had been stabbed to death. None of these guys had
his nose broken, because they took the trouble not to do that, for
me. The other guy, he was a real punk, nothing good visually.
For some people, the evidence of their spirit is either
there or not there in death. Nonetheless, when I saw this last guy,
I said, "I want him." This was just about Christmas-time,
so the Mexicans were outside celebrating, getting ready to take their
I'm in this room with a dead guy. I'm propping him
up, and I put a fish in his hand as a kind of prop, and I'm checking
the lighting. Then I get that straight, and I take a few photographs,
just as a kind of a record. Then I make arrangements to have the guy
autopsied. And as soon as he's being autopsied, he starts changing!
He's on the table, and he's changing. I turn to my Mexican translator,
who is a very, very bright man, and we have seen the same thing. He
says, "He's being judged. This guy is being judged right now."
Suddenly, he's not a punk any more. He's gone through this kind of
transfiguration on the table, on the autopsy table. I say to the technician,
"Don't wash him down. I want all the blood from the suturing."
Usually, they open up the skull and remove the brain. Sometimes they
put the brain back. Other times they put a piece of towel or paper
in there, or perhaps the Daily News--to maintain the form of the flesh.
In this case they put the brain back . When they were carrying the
brain, I said, "Look at this brain--it may have contained thoughts
of evil, but however he was judged, he is now a different presence!"
When I got him back, and I put him in this room, I
got him on this chair, and I photographed him sitting down. Then I
spent an hour and a half with him, and after that, he looked like
a Saint Sebastian. He looked like a person who had grace. His fingers,
I swear to God, had grown 50 percent. They were elegant. They were
the longest fingers on a man I've ever seen. It was as if they were
reaching for eternity.
MORALITY AND MORTALITY
I think most people aren't aware
that mortality has to do with life and death. Of course, not all of
it is about mortal toil. But it's about what happens in life. The
mortuary, not coincidentally, is the place for the mortal remains.
Every moment is a moral decision. I believe there's
a moral codex in each of our hearts, and it's a question of us finding
our destinies and the purpose of that destiny. This life is a testing
ground. It should be a sublime testing ground.
Seamus Heaney, who just won the Nobel Prize for Literature,
said that "The end of art is peace." It's a wonderful statement.
The reason we go to museums and the reason we look at beautiful things
is that there's not much out there that's beautiful any more. I think
of museums as new kinds of religious centers, as spiritual centers
of the secular life.
There's this great story I know about a wanderer somewhere
in a desert. He's walking along, and he hears the smashing of steel
and rocks in the distance. He goes out there to where the sound is,
and two men are crushing stones in the heat. He approaches one, who
seems very, very angry, and he's cursing. The wanderer goes up to
him and says, "What are you doing?" The man says, "I'm
breaking the stones." The wanderer approaches the other man.
This one is also smashing rocks, but he's not angry. The wanderer
says, "What are you doing?" The man responds, "I'm
building a cathedral."
Originally pubished in World Art 1/96, and posted here by permission.
Michael Sand is a free lance editor working and living in New York
and can be reached at email@example.com